Tuesday, November 22, 2011

Is Prince William entitled to use Earl of Chester as a courtesy title ?

This would normally be the case for the eldest son of a Duke. If William is not given a Dukedom on marriage then Kate could use Countess of Chester as a title.


Also can Harry use Baron of Renfrew ?|||No courtesy titles are normally only used if a person does not have there own title or if the courtesy title outranks their own title|||Traditionally people Normally use their Highest title as their customary title, the Duchess of Cornwall is an exception. Prince is Higher than Earl (with the exception of the Earl of Wessex who also has an HRH and is also a Prince). Prince William holds the title in his own right and therefore this trumps any courtesy title.



Prince William will automatically receive the titles Duke of Cornwall (it does not have to be recreated for him, the oldest son of the monarch automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall) when his father becomes King but if his father predeceases the Queen then William can never become Duke of Cornwall but can be created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester (this is not automatic and has to be conferred although an investiture is not a necessity.|||His Royal Highness The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales, Knight of the Garter, Knight of the Thistle, Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Bath, Member of the Order of Merit, Knight of the Order of Australia, Companion of the Queen's Service Order, Privy Counsellor, Aide-de-Camp, Earl of Chester, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland





Of Charles' titles, the Wales titles (Wales and Chester) must be regranted.


The Cornwall title is inherited by the monarch's eldest son immediately upon the new sovereign's accession.





Some of the others are knighthoods or military titles.|||Although the question is reasonable. Most of the time the secondary title of a Duke is used by his oldest son. In many cases there is another courtesy title that can be used by the grandson.





However, I don't think that the Earl of Chester can function that way. Like the Prince of Wales, the title is not hereditary. Each new Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester must be re-created for the new heir apparent.|||No.That title is part of the titles that are only the male heir apparent's.William will be given his own peerage title;one that has gone to the eldest son of the heir apparent is Duke of Clarence;another possibility is Duke of Connaught.Harry will be given his own title as well;there is another possibility that Harry may one day bear the title Duke of York after his uncle dies.But,ONLY the heir apparent can bear the titles Prince of Wales,Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay,Earl of Chester and Earl of Chester,Baron of Renfrew,Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.

EDIT: When Charles becomes king,his eldest son,William automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay,Earl of Chester and Earl of Chester,Baron of Renfrew,Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.William will have to be invested as Prince of Wales.

Royal peerage titles are different than non-royal peerage titles.It is only in the non-royal peerage that the ELDEST son may take on the next titles down that his father bears.Younger sons only get to use honorifics;they do not get titles.

Here is information about each title:

The Prince of Wales

The Prince of Wales is a title created for the male Heir to The Throne. There is no automatic succession to this title, but it is normally passed on when the existing Prince of Wales accedes to the throne. The title becomes merged in the Crown and is renewed only by the Sovereign's pleasure. The Queen created Prince Charles The Prince of Wales on 26 July 1958. The Prince can trace his descent through the Tudors to the original native Princes of Wales, though the title's use for the Heir to the English Throne began with Edward II, who had been created Prince of Wales by his father Edward I in 1301.



Earl of Chester

The Earldom was created by William the Conqueror, with the intention of the Earl keeping an eye on any war-like activities by the Welsh. It reverted to the Crown in 1237, and was passed to the future Edward I. He conferred the Earldom on his son, Edward II, and since then the Earldom of Chester has gone to every Prince of Wales.



Duke of Cornwall

The Prince became Duke of Cornwall automatically upon The Queen's accession on 6 February 1952. The Duchy of Cornwall - the oldest and one of the biggest landed estates in England - has existed for more than 650 years and provides an income for the male heir to the throne. Click here to visit the official website of The Prince of Wales to find out how Their Royal Highnesses use the income from the Duchy to support their official activities.



Duke of Rothesay

When The Prince of Wales is in Scotland, he is known by this title of the Scottish peerage, first conferred by Robert III, King of Scots, on his son David in 1398. An act of the Scottish Parliament in 1469 confirmed its restriction to the heir apparent to the throne of Scotland. Since the 1603 Union of the Crowns the title has descended alongside the Dukedom of Cornwall, and The Prince became Duke of Rothesay at the time of The Queen's accession.



Earl of Carrick and Baron of Renfrew

Other titles of the Scottish peerage inherited by the Heir to The Throne under the 1469 Act.



Lord of The Isles

This ancient title, held by those who ruled the Western Isles as vassals of the King of Scotland, was annexed to the Crown by James V of Scotland in 1540, to be passed to his heirs.



Prince and Great Steward of Scotland

The hereditary office of Great (or High) Steward dates from the 12th Century. The 1469 Act confirmed that the title should go to "the first-born prince of the King of Scots for ever". The Prince has used this title in one of his charities, The Great Steward of Scotland's Dumfries House Trust.|||As Earl of Chester is not hereditary he is not heir apparent of it, so he cannot use it as a courtesy title. I suppose the only courtesy title he could use would be Lord Greenwich as the eldest son of the eldest son of the Duke of Edinburgh|||No need for either William or Harry to use courtesy titles, HRH Prince (in your own right) outranks any courtesy titles|||As the last Earl of Chester was in the 14th century...seems unlikely.





Btw, the son of a Duke is a MARQUESS. HIS son is an Earl.

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